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Do we need to be concerned for the welfare of AIs today? What about the near future? Eleos AI Research is asking exactly that.

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Eleos AI Research
People for the Ethical Treatment of Reinforcement Learners
Bees Can’t Suffer?
Lena, by qntm
When AI Seems Conscious
Experience Machines, Rob’s substack
The War on General Computation
WaPo on Blake Lemoine
Discordianism
Twitter for: Eleos, Rob Long, Rosie Campbell

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00:00:05 – AI Welfare
01:22:33 – InkHaven
01:27:49 – Guild of the Rose
01:31:55 – Thank the Supporter!


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LessWrong Sequence Posts Discussed in this Episode:

on hiatus, returning this summer

Andrew Willsen tells us how incorporating as a church allows you to navigate modernity, and gives us the basic steps to doing so.

LINKS
Andrew’s church substack – The Church of the Infinite Game
To incorporate in CA file ARTS-PB-501(c)(3)
CA Form FTB3500 booklet
IRS document 1828 (see also the summary)
Nonprofit Compliance Checklist
The Ethical Cult Checklist
AI Anxiety Dinners
Eneasz’s follow-up post to Monogamy Police

Paid Bonus content for the weekAndrew on the End of Capitalism (patreon, substack)
Paid Bonus content for the weekMononormativity follow-up (patreon, substack)

00:00:05 – Take Me To Church
01:09:35 – Guild of the Rose
01:11:19 – Feedback & Follow-up on Monogamy Police
01:21:28 – Thank the Supporter!


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Rationality: From AI to Zombies, The Podcast

LessWrong Sequence Posts Discussed in this Episode:

on hiatus, returning this summer

Is a bee worth 1/7th of a human? Can a bee suffer at all? Nathan joins us to discuss what neural structures are needed for this question to make sense.

Map of all the fruitfly neurons

Wes defends his post I Am Not the Monogamy Police, while Jennifer asserts it’s about more than monogamy.

LINKS
Wes’s post I Am Not the Monogamy Police
His blog, Living Within Reason
The original tweets – monogamy vs charity
Aella’s Chattel Childhood post
The Mind Killer
Our Groceries

Paid Bonus content for the weekMononormativity follow-up (patreon, substack)

00:00:05 – The Monogamy Police
01:51:46 – Guild of the Rose


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Rationality: From AI to Zombies, The Podcast

LessWrong Sequence Posts Discussed in this Episode:

on hiatus, returning this summer

Olivia from the Guild of the Rose is back to tell us about the noble and most ancient tradition of play-by-post storytelling. (Spoiler, it’s the precursor to glowfic!)

Eneasz sits down with Tracing Woodgrains before a live audience at Manifest 2025 for a wide range of topics. Then we follow up some more afterwards.

LINKS
Tracing Woodgrains on Twitter and at his Substack
A reddit history of what convinced Trace he couldn’t remain Mormon
The Center for Educational Progress
Our previous episode with Trace were we discuss the modern secular religion of Social Justice Progressivism
Love Stays Loved by Miranda Dixon-Luinenburg (Swimmer963)

00:00:21 – Trace Live at Manifest
00:42:31 – Follow-up with Trace
01:31:33 – Guild of the Rose


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Hey look, we have a discord! What could possibly go wrong?
We now partner with The Guild of the Rose, check them out.


Rationality: From AI to Zombies, The Podcast

LessWrong Sequence Posts Discussed in this Episode:

on hiatus, returning this summer